Dr Tom Incledon And I talk Natural Testosterone

Neil Cannon  00:42
Everyone, I’m here with Dr. Tom Incledon in Phoenix in Arizona, just flown in yesterday to see this very smart guy. He’s got an incredible track record of helping guys well into their 90s improved and increased testosterone completely naturally. He’s got this incredible facility here with all sorts of funky toys, amazing weights, machines, you will not find the need of any other gym, and some incredible other machines like heat pods and solar pods and like their light the
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Tom Incledon  01:18
kind of salaries. And

Neil Cannon  01:19
yeah, and what’s the one that you like? The hippo, hippo therapy, hypnotherapy? Yeah, never seen that. So really quite a cool venue, or facility. And people fly from all over the world to see him. So I thought I’ve got to get come and see him. So over to you. I mean, I understand you’ve got five degrees. And you’ve been studying this for the last 20 odd years. And yeah, can you just give me a quick background or give people

Tom Incledon  01:46
so my basically, I’m an exercise physiologist, got five degrees in different fields, business degree, Exercise Science, degree in nutrition degree degree in kinesiology, and then a PhD in exercise science, but it was kind of like, my, it was, especially exercise physiology with an emphasis in Nutritional Biochemistry. So basically, I looked at you know, how supplements how different changes in the diet affect exercise performance and hormone responses from exercise. I then saw things in healthcare many years ago, and I just thought didn’t make sense to me. I thought a lot of decisions doctors made, absolutely were not scientific to me in any way. And I thought, There’s got to be a better way of doing this. And so I basically started forming a team here are really bright people. And then essentially, creating a way to all these people can work together. And we sort of cancel amazing outcomes. We’ve had lots of lots of guys come here to get their testosterone raise naturally, we’ve had people with all kinds of terminal illnesses that come in. And, you know, we’re careful not to promote, like any claims, and hey, we cure terminal illnesses, whatever. But basically, when people leave, they’re super happy. And those people are so happy, they send all their family members and their friends here. And so even though we don’t do any advertising, it’s strictly word of mouth thing. Where we have a lot of fun, it’s extremely rewarding. When someone comes in, and they’ve been told my doctor after doctor, there’s nothing that can be done. And they can’t walk or they got, you know, serious cancer or some other issue. And then my team and I come up with a new way to help them amaze and most of what we do is really exercise and nutrition base. And what’s sad, is almost every one of these people were told, nothing could be done and exercise will help you in nutritional will help you and be like, we have to eat to live. So the funny thing is like, that’s, that’s us alternative medicine. Now is anything you need for life considered alternative. Like that’s just a fluid approach.

Neil Cannon  04:03
Right? You’re going to have we have nature’s pharmacy. Yeah, for a reason. Yeah, for sure. Amazing. Thank you. Well, let’s stop talking about testosterone naturally, because that’s what Mercury multiplier is all about. So if you read the book, or your regular online blog, and you’ll see how there are many endocrine disruptors in the foods by water supply and cosmetics and deodorant, showers, conditioners and plastics, etc. Lots of herbicides, pesticides, fungicides, all these are the toxins or they’re kind of endocrine disruptors, and they’re causing problems with men. So testosterone levels have dropped by about 22% in two decades. sperm counts up as much as harvest in the last half century. And operations grip gynecomastia, which is manboobs is now on top for the cosmetic surgery carried out on men in the United States. It’s a pretty scary phenomenon, what’s your phenomenon? What’s going on? So I just thought and asked you for your your view on that. What do you think is good was enrollees? What do you think is causing testosterone levels drop?

Tom Incledon  05:03
Well, you gotta, it’s definitely a bunch of things, you know, certainly the, all the chemicals have been dumped in the environment. And, you know, you read something about a company that’s being fined, you know, for W chemicals in the environment, after their fine motor chemicals don’t magically disappear, and then half life of some of these agencies decades, which means even if nothing else is added to soil, the old stuff that was there before, so making its way, and because some of these chemicals, we don’t really understand the impact they have on the environment, it’s hard to predict where they go. And, you know, with the rain, for example, stuff may seep further down into the soil, it may hit like another water source, and then be transported or carry further away. So the chemicals could be put into one location of wind up much, much further away, because no one anticipated that sort of the movement of the chemicals around the environment. And, you know, because of the way the properties they have, you know, when they’re ingested, they’re almost always ingested by people without their knowledge, or no one looks at it says, Oh, I can see the chemicals that are bad for me and that you can’t see them. So essentially, it’s like they’re invisible. And so now when food is ingested, or water is ingested, it has those chemicals in them, they have everything, the positive body, a lot of times it shows up in fatty tissue. I’m sure it’s probably could attach to proteins and bind elsewhere in the body. When we test people, we would usually measure a lot of that stuff in the urine, which certainly means it’s in the body, and it’s leaving. But some limitations with that, as we don’t know how long it was there. And where did you just eat something? And it showed up? Right? Or was this stuff that maybe wait, you know, months ago is now should actively vote Marinette fat is a period of blood and being filtered out. And then to do some of the tests, you know, to figure out what’s going on to pretty expensive. And one of the limitations with testing is you need to know what you’re looking for first, to make sure you’re doing the right test. But if I don’t know what you are exposed to when you don’t know what your exposure has anyone down so so some ways that maybe people can address some of the chemical exposure, you know, just making sure that they’re eating a very, very diet with a lot of fruit and vegetable stuff basically stuck in color, because it helps to upregulate certain things in the body that are very protective, and to make sure they’re exercising, because there’s definitely benefits of exercise and improving gene expression, and some health benefits associated along with that. Some other things that would might tie to that is, across the board in people’s activity of daily living far more sedentary today, and you’re wondering, 20 years ago,

08:03
sure, yeah.

Tom Incledon  08:04
What’s interesting, I’ve been to Italy recently. And one of the first things that stood out is number of people walking and riding bicycles, right compared to United States. And then the number of people that are still doing farming, and like, I would say, more physical stuff. We’re here, there’s different farmers, it’s definitely people that do physical thing, but the number of people is much less. So across the board, there’s definitely lower levels of activity, you know, without to date,

Neil Cannon  08:36
people living these books lives, aren’t they, when they go, they wake up in their box, they get their breakfast out of a box, given the box, drive to work, sit in a box all day long, for eight hours a day. And then get in a box to drive home. It’s a different system runs the box is a box of mail, and you know, of a cannibal, whatever trying to get to sleep in your box. So it’s a very, very inactive life, isn’t it? The chair has actually been touted as one of the worst inventions ever for our backs. And just this is compressing our spines and making all sorts of shows and all sorts of problems.

Tom Incledon  09:09
Sort of tension around the hips and so forth. it impairs mobility with time getting locked in and so just exercising initially, if you said I exercise brutally hard for an hour a day, that doesn’t compensate for the remaining hours of the day. Right. L
ike it’s a different situation constantly moving versus you know, sitting in your box world and then moving a little bit every day, you know, yes, relatively now a little bit. So there’s definitely ways to address that here we’re looking at is taking all the desks out and replacing them with essentially more ergonomically designed equipment that allows people to be moving while they’re functioning and

Neil Cannon  09:59
WAGs them further data is at Google and Virgin treadmills and take a look at Bronski. Back to those already great.

Tom Incledon  10:07
I’ve also looked at it too, from, you know, so here we have separate back offices. And that’s, that’s designed for your privacy, the patient should come in and you want to by doing your business, you want to be treated privately by a doctor. But in terms of collective intelligence, and pooling resources, you know, let’s get everybody to contribute. I’m looking at taking one of the rooms and almost creating like, like an oval structure, where as we’re interacting, there’s also some movement, breath, stimulate brain flow, flow to the brain, stuff like that. But imagine as we’re interacting, we’re looking at each other. Yeah, so just as much better setup that way, you know,

Neil Cannon  10:53
very cool love that I see that trend really kind of taking off soon. Companies like Google and burden are already doing it, I can see other companies doing it because people are realizing just how important it is for us to move from not just from musculoskeletal systems and our vital organs, but our brains,

Tom Incledon  11:11
we function way better when we’re when internally, we’re more stable. And one of the ways you’re gonna get that will have to minimize roller coaster effect of energy levels with blood sugar’s high and low and all over the place, is to have like, more, more movement. So it’s helping it basically to manage energy better. So it’s not up and down. It’s more even. Yeah, so

Neil Cannon  11:34
when you’re saying stable, it means they will energy up and down will be stable.

Tom Incledon  11:38
Stable energy, right?

11:39
It’s that simple.

Neil Cannon  11:42
Yeah. So um, in terms of natural dietary ways to improve test testosterone. I mean, I’ve talked about healthy fats, and the modern century saturated fats, like the likes of avocado and olive oil, and coconut oil and nuts and macadamia nuts and ensure fatty fish, and then the cholesterol from eggs. They’re all great ways to improve it. Is the same like in today’s world, we’re kind of been being told to not eat fat, or he’s a very, very low fat. Yeah, well, I think

Tom Incledon  12:15
in certain circles that’s changing. Yeah, I would I kind of see happening is physicians are not getting exercise and nutrition and medicine, right. So now basically, get done. But because of fear of liability, everybody is saying, you know, okay, go get permission of your doctor consent from your doctor to exercise. So

Neil Cannon  12:40
we’re basically listening to maybe

Tom Incledon  12:42
we’re driving people will because of fear of someone getting hurt. Yeah. Like, there are some statistics that were posted years ago, but American college sports medicine, I don’t know if they’re still accurate. But essentially, it was something like one and 100,000 people and exercises, they die. And the main reason is, they don’t know that they have a problem was pushed too hard in the gym. And they get a slitting and hurt and it’s serious enough to kill them. So, you know, from a precautionary measure, you would say, Okay, since it is a medical problem, you drive people to get, you know, consent or permission or approval, maybe, you know, from adopted work out. So if kids basically check your heart, lungs, there’s nothing going on. The danger though, is that now the doctors are advising the patient to do but they don’t have any background in exercise. So it’s it shouldn’t be required, every physician should be required to do courses in cardiovascular physiology under exercise, and, and also resistance exercise. So basically, those two things from a health perspective would really help us save a lot of lives and help reduce the need for drugs dramatically. As the doctors have some basic courses on nutrition. At least they should should know what’s going on out there. And the importance of a variety diet, you know, instead of restricting, you know what people eat, and then allow for factor will by restriction. You may be avoiding certain nutrients that they need.

Neil Cannon  14:18
Yeah. And you said yesterday, some of your patients are very, very undernourished in terms of micronutrients.

Tom Incledon  14:24
Yeah, so the builders do some dissolving. So what I see happening a lot is someone maybe has an allergy, so they have a legitimate, let’s say reaction to food, whether it’s an allergy or whether there’s some micro organism in between. It’s kind of immaterial for this conversation. But they have reaction foods, they stopped eating the food, and maybe they feel better to get healthier or they have less symptoms. So now, someone else sees that and says, only tried to work for him. I’ll try to save him for me. Normally knowing if that’s it is the option for their own health. And then what happens by something simple as it’s eliminating dairy, you know, eliminate a major source of calcium and potentially protein in the diet. So there’s got to be like the strategy of like playing chess, you know, when I found to do this, I take this away, I need to have

Neil Cannon  15:19
someplace else to replace, I figured out some other good sources of calcium locally and exact greens. Yeah.

Tom Incledon  15:26
It’s not hard at all to do because you can easily find this stuff on the web for free. But just that people aren’t thinking of it that way. They’re focusing on the negatives of the fruit from eating it, to Matt looking at the negatives of what I take away.

Neil Cannon  15:41
Interesting. So I’ve heard of people going to vegan, veganism as well, and just losing all their muscle mass, because they think they can just get the protein from plants, and then they just shrink. Well, I’ve also heard that it takes about a year or so year and a half to actually properly transition into fully fledged vegan. Because there’s so much more you need to eat from plant based foods to actually replace that poison. Well, in there,

Tom Incledon  16:07
I’ll tell you some of the most. So in theory, a plant based diet has the potential to really help people to become healthier. But I would say that the reality of doing it when I test vegans that people come in and do a split work, did have terrible blood chemistries, there’s all kinds of

16:32
things that they’re lowing. And they have no idea

Tom Incledon  16:35
they don’t know about. Yeah, because most people go, they go by feel. And that’s not I mean, it’s not strange or unusual to do. I mean, most of the time, when we evaluate for anything works, we feel more energy to feel more alert, stronger, things are dead. So that, of course makes sense. But the thing is, that stuff is subjective. And imagine like if you’re in a serious relationship with someone you love, and then they end a relationship. Now, you’re asked to evaluate how you feel about something else, when you have to, you just had a major relationship, and it’s in the back of your mind that it psychologically affects your views and other areas. So how do you know that what you think you’re feeling is actually pure for that, and that it would say, hindered or enhanced or reduced by some other feelings that are going on in your head. So you know, one way to maybe get a better balance between how you feel with respect to something. And you know, what it’s actually doing was actually objective measures measure, via the mineral levels measure maybe amino acid f
atty acid levels, because that will give you details as far as Hey, What food should I be?

Neil Cannon  17:49
Yeah. Yeah, essentially point because you could, we often talk about being low on energy, because a lot on testosterone, you might be low energy, because you’re completely undernourished with these vital nutrients. So the first thing to do would be to make sure you’re not under narrative, all these nutrients. I mean, in a way, you shouldn’t be low on energy if you don’t have all these micronutrients, because they’re the prime fuel for our bodies. So I guess the first thing would be to make sure you’re fully nourished. And vegetable juicing is amazing way of doing that, isn’t that

Tom Incledon  18:20
yeah, it’s a good tool, I would say no, that I think better than vegetable juicing would be just to take the whole like the whole raw fruit or vegetable, that means fiber seeds and all, you know, basically everything and put that in a high powered blender like a Vitamix, or some of these other kinds that are out there. Because there’s nutrient components and throughout and it basically you liquefy the entire, you know, solid object, but then when you drink it, you get sort of fiber benefit, you still get the nutrients and the seeds and things like that. And what’s interesting there’s actually now a market developing for seed oils. Because Well if you think about all the nutrition has to be in seeds for it to basically go into a plant is a lot of interesting information from research coming out. And so now there’s basically companies making seed oils and you’ll see the oils are loaded with all kinds of natural anti inflammatory substances, right so one way at home to maybe you know, do this it would just be like if we had a hole out yeah, we’re hoping or something.

Neil Cannon  19:36
And that slows down incident response as well. With the fiber the fiber Yeah, that’s one thing that’s against juicing if you just do fruit juice and you take out all the fibers together, really sharp incident response. Yeah.

Tom Incledon  19:48
Yeah. I mean, I think that we want to try to look to nature for guidance and that you know, nature probably figured out you got to have This fibroids are there for a reason. And we, as scientists, we would maybe separate everything to test the individual components. But kind of if I was a someone as a lot of research just in general, we take stuff, we separate it, you find out how it works. And then we put it back together. And what we find out is, you’re better off getting the whole full

Neil Cannon  20:22
circle is designed. Nature’s got a very clever way of presenting it to us with tearing it apart. Yeah, that’s a really interesting point. Because, you know,

Tom Incledon  20:31
it’s, I think, I think almost everybody kind of agrees, you know, some of the pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, all these different types of compounds that are in the environment, and a certain level definitely rested on, it’s bad for you. Right? damages, all kinds of things going on in sales. You know, you got this gray zone, like let’s say there’s nothing present. Maybe it’s right here. This is where there’s a lot of controversy, like, is it bad? How bad is it stuff like that? When I looked at all the fruit and vegetable studies across the board, the people in those studies, you know, they consumed fruits and vegetables that had pesticides and had stuff in it. And still across the board, it’s better to eat more fruits and vegetables, even if there are chemicals. Right, that didn’t get all right. I like some terms of a balance. So instead of people being afraid of chemicals, and not eating, let’s say a fruit vegetable, you’re better off eating a fruit vegetable, even if there was some chemicals there. It’s good tonight, because the benefits appear to outweigh the dangers of the negatives, if you will. And then there may be explore in your local environment. If there’s any concerns we had talked about, if I was doing a general nutrition seminar for let’s say, anybody, you might say eat lots of colorful fruits and vegetables. And the simple thing would be follow like a rainbow diet. So you need something from red, orange, yellow, blue, green, indigo, violet, if you’re eating one or more servings from each color of the rainbow each day, that goes a very long way to minimize nutrient deficiencies or inadequacies. And it’s easy to remember those colors and my bowl of vitamins. Yes, so essential fatty acids, amino acids, you’ll

Neil Cannon  22:21
get that little vein has the rainbow. Yeah. Okay. That’s really great advice. Yeah, it’s really good advice. I can mess around. Yeah. So you’ve, you’ve been studying various vertical supplements over quite a few years, you’ve actually properly tested them. So I’ve been bit fearful of promoting anyone’s testosterone supplements. Because without having a fully, you know, full understanding of any potential negative effects. Sure, in a way with supplements, I shouldn’t really be any negative before natural supplements, because it’s all from, you know, from source from the mother nature. So I didn’t, yeah, there’s just part of it wasn’t comfortable promoting them? Sure. Until I started to speak to you. I mean, you got five degrees now. What are the different degrees it got?

Tom Incledon  23:12
So believe it or not, I started in computer engineering. And then at the time, I was only to computers. And and that was training for nationals in powerlifting. And a long time ago. And my coaches were kind of if they wanted to go to Olympic lifting, and just the way it all worked out, as I didn’t have the time and energy to do the computer engineering was like, you know, what, do you want to be done with school. And so I decided to get a business degree, because I knew I could always use that for anything I was going to do, you know, and so that’s a business degree. And then when I actually started training for the Olympics, and weightlifting, same coaches that would say, Hey, you gotta focus here. They then said, well, we don’t want you just working out, we want to be educated. So stay in school and continue to get educated. And I would say my, my position of school back then is that was like going to prison. That was hell, and I didn’t want to go to school. And so I reluctantly, you know, went to school and went to Penn State. And in retrospect, I think that was probably one of the best things I’ve ever done in my life, because I was exposed to really, really bright people that opened up my eyes and helped me think and problem solve differently than, you know, what I was doing before that, you know, so many before we looked at something this way, and after all the exposure has always worked out is now sticking up for much bigger perspective and the implications that decisions have on health, and stuff like that. Anyway, so when I was there, I got a degree in exercise science in the sort of science, discipline. So basically, how to look at study designs and green studies and things like that. And I got a degree in nutrition and I stayed on and did a got a degree in kinesiology. But practically, it’s really it was like a sports nutrition degree, right. And then from there, I left and went to University of Miami. And I was in the college education program there. And we were in the Department of Exercise and science and my degree is basically like exercise physiology. But I spent a lot of time in the biophysics and physiology program, or is able to do some really cool stuff looking, I was able to study cells and molecules moving themselves, I was able to do work with tissue preparations, I was able to interface all kinds of really cool cutting edge equipment. And so when wasn’t smart enough to have plans to allow wind up happening is I got experience with, you know, chemistry and just molecules, I got experience with cells, good experience with tissues of experience with whole animals, having experiential humans well, and there’s not too many people that can say they’ve be
en exposed to all of that. Yeah, throughout. So in our, in our focus was always you know, how to use exercise to enhance human health life. And then along the way, we started looking at their diet and nutritional, factual and responses, and we’re still looking to have supplements affect those same hormone responses. And there’s just something that it fit my own passion, because I was lifting and want to be bigger and stronger. I refuse to take drugs at that point in my career just didn’t simply ethically Yeah. And there. I mean, so I guess I should say, I refuse to take any banned substances. Okay. And more accurate because I did to caffeine I did, you know, there were there were stimulants that were allowed to time. So basically, if it was allowed in the sport, I would do it if I felt that helped me if it was allowed to sport. Okay, so I’m just staying there. So that’s kind of a degree thing.

Neil Cannon  26:56
The reason I came to see you, because I’ve recommended to you by a friend, this mastermind, quite recently. And he said that you help guys well into their 90s Maintain seriously high levels of testosterone completely, naturally. Isn’t that insane? And I think you mentioned on the phone that you eat, you even have one guy who was 103. Yes. And

Tom Incledon  27:17
all this sort of all this guy that I worked with was 103. Yeah, and so. So there’s some interesting things like, if you look at just the way studies have been published to date, they give you I think, an inaccurate perspective and perspective to give you is, okay, as you get older, your use of your age goes this way, you’re going all this way, and testosterone goes down with age. But none of those studies that they look at controlling for, you know, competent exercise training, not just going to the gym and winging it, but that has got a competent, professional guiding, they don’t look at did any of these guys test themselves and see what their nutritional status is. So when we actually work with people here, one on one, we find is, so let’s just say of all the men that come here that have concerns about testosterone, half of those guys actually do have low testosterone. And, and the other half, they have a different issue. It’s not testosterone is low, there’s something else going on. But it affected him in a way you know, low energy, slightly depressed, very low libido, trouble any muscle, so of course, they assumed his testosterone, which makes sense and but let’s, let’s ignore those guys and just focus on the guys that have the bonafide testosterone issues. We test them we find a lot of times it’s, they have like, a terrible diet. And so there’s no nutrient quality. So when we test the blood, we see a low and all kinds of things. And so zyk, selenium, boron, vitamin A, vitamin D, those are common things we see that are low, and they’re important for healthy testicular function, right. And then in certain groups, you also see the guys have lower Coenzyme Q 10, or some other antioxidants and there’s interesting data on antioxidants affecting sperm production, I mean, in a way right. And so you know, it makes the argument you know, is it their diet that so poor diets resulted in this you know, or is there some other reason why the low after interference in the guidance and looking at the diets that they this fall into traps? Yeah, to get to a pattern like you know, so a lot of times guys when we’re growing up, they go to their mom and dad at home Baker like you know, it’s a steak and potatoes. Now that’s really raised on so for them, that’s a good meal so they can dibs and, you know,

Neil Cannon  29:46
it’s perceived as healthy.

Tom Incledon  29:48
Yeah, it’s really I wouldn’t, you know, I don’t look at, let’s say being for Redmi here, potatoes. I don’t look at them as like good or bad. I just look at them as their tools and what these tools provide applicate these new treatments and new steroid therapies, nutrients, what am I missing? Okay, so maybe to complement this, I need some kale or even though some ribs are boring, so yeah, carrots, tomatoes, things like that. And now when you, you know, complement the color now, so they would pretty healthy meal. Yeah, you know you and now what happens to you can reduce the portion of the beef, you can reduce the portion of the potatoes so that you’re satisfied like it feel full, basically. Yeah, and yeah, micronutrients there. And it’s more fun, I think for people to hear because then they have the freedom to do what they want yet, but it’s about coming up with a balanced, sensible strategy. So that way, they don’t feel deprived and feel like anything’s being withheld from

Neil Cannon  30:52
Yeah, interesting stuff. That’s very interesting. So coming back to your supplements. You’ve got to hear one’s green new male. Sure. So you’ve tested this to the nth degree over here. Yeah. And you said that 100% of cases.

Tom Incledon  31:12
So I’ll kind of let me just do summarize some things here. So first, this product is the use for gas, it’s basically an amino acid that lots of companies sell. So you know, an intelligent question for you. Why should I buy your product? Like if it’s, if it’s on a market was gonna sell on it? Why don’t just buy the cheapest stuff or fine, because I’m labeling almost the same, you know, we did is, we there’s research showing that this elevates testosterone safely and naturally men, and that it can also increase the resin hormone from the pituitary in the brain. And so when we got some products on a marketing tested, we found is that the purity was not really good for these products. So essentially, they were 750 milligram capsules. And we test them now at 600 milligrams of the aspartic acid. So therefore, capsules dose are supposed to provide 3000 milligrams. It didn’t provide the full spectrum. Wow, the spike assets. In other words, it’s like getting halfway painful. So Right. So and yeah, it will, I think, sort of companies in analyzable products, and most these companies even notice, right, and, you know, so then of course, the vogner, would not know this. So we did that as we analyze the pure stuff that we could find. And it’s not even close to 90% Pure. Now the other material is no, it just, it’s in our material, like it’s not going to hurt you or anything like that. So we said, well, we want to make sure that we give it the actual dose that was used in research. So we did is we said, Okay, we’re going to increase the amount. So one serving from us as five capsules, and it’s been assay to diversify provides a full 3000 milligrams. So now when people buy this and fall into the label, they’re getting exactly what they’re paying for. I did not pay him for this lodge, but only getting half, right. Yeah. And so as a result, people say, Wow, your stuff seems to work better. And technically, I guess you could say, well, the chemical form is the same. The difference is other guys in order to give him so they’re giving less, right? Whereas we say, you know, here’s five capsules is 3000 milligrams, a few tested unifying, it’s 3000 milligrams. So essentially, I look at that as more, we just want accurate than everybody else, you know. So it’s not necessarily unique, but it’s definitely superior to what’s out there. Okay, now on the new mail. Basically, I, this is about the fifth generation of this. And we’re really working on research now for the sixth generation, which will come out in the future, it’s nowhere near done yet. But what we did is we took individual herbs, we isolated the individual components of the herbs that we we felt have potential to raise testosterone. And then we tested them what people were given like zero, so it’s like a placebo, if you will, then we give them like, let’s say 10, and then 20, and at 40. And at 160s, we have like the core dose response. And now we see okay, on average, and each person is compared to themselves, right? Now we take all these people and they compare themselves. And that’s referred to as a repeated measures design. So it’s okay, it’s a double line, r
epeated measures design. So if you were subject, you don’t know what you’re getting, and I don’t know, when you’re taking both of us will be blind, you know. And then after study, we decode everything, and that’s when you run your your testing and you see, okay, what’s happening. And then from there, we find the dose that produced the, let’s say, the highest increase in testosterone. And then we took all these individual components from different plants and combine those. So now it’s kind of like we have the best from this guy, the best for this guy and mess from that guy

Neil Cannon  34:59
and a concentrated form Yeah,

Tom Incledon  35:00
so the idea is, I mean, years ago, we first started doing this, we would do like 30 pills. because there just wasn’t enough research and just wasn’t enough data and manufacturing methods were not as good as they are today. Okay, words you might have, like, you might have to condense, like, let’s say, from 100 milligrams of material, you couldn’t get enough of what you wanted out of it. You know, so you’d have to give people like, say, 50. So if you have a lot of talk about different herbs, it’s gonna be

Neil Cannon  35:38
a lot of Yes, yeah.

Tom Incledon  35:40
So today, the process is, you know, now we know exactly what we’re looking for. And then in manufacturing methods to isolate it on watch better 21 years ago. So basically, you get a lot more active material and a smaller size. So now it’s down to four capsules. And essentially, we haven’t here, ingredients have been shown to reduce inflammation or oxidative stress in the testes, we have stuff that improves neurotransmitters in the brain. And would that helps to increase growth hormone and testosterone levels, and we have stuff here reduces cortisol and raises testosterone. And we have stuff that reduce testosterone reduce cortisol improves blood

Neil Cannon  36:20
flow, amazing.

Tom Incledon  36:22
So there was no clinical trials that we did. So this is like, you come as a subject and we’re controlling your life, right? So you like a study guide, or your subject? Hundreds of guys, testosterone was what we take the same product and we sell it in the field. Now people online buy it. I have the sales go really well, like no, we don’t have refined when people ask for their money back when I talk to guys interview, what I find is a lot of guys just don’t read the information we put out there. So like if you’re if you are on an antidepressant, if you’re on blood pressure meds, like if there’s certain medications you’re on, those medications have known side effects to reduce the VM, right? So if you want to improve your libido, and potentially testosterone

Neil Cannon  37:10
come off the drugs,

Tom Incledon  37:12
you have to figure out yes to our body and no drugs. Like normally you don’t recommend someone just go off something. Turkey. When out of the hand. A lot of people are over medicated. They’re on stuff that isn’t working for them anyway. Yeah. So if you’re taking something that isn’t working, what hormones do to stop dating, it’s not doing anything anyway. So again, whatever, mislead someone and say, it’s safe to stop taking cold turkey. But at the same time, you gotta wonder, well, if you’re on a medication, lower blood pressure, and blood pressure is too high. It’s not to win the job. Why would you keep taking it. And but unfortunately, a lot of guys keep taking the drugs, and they buy this product to sort of compensate for the side effects of medications. And that’s not just that’s not a smart strategy, the smarter play would be figuring out why there’s the why they need to drugs can address those issues. And sometimes, like, you know, can be low magnesium or low calcium, it’s gonna be a signal further,

Neil Cannon  38:11
magnesium deficiency is like, among the majority of the population,

Tom Incledon  38:15
it’s definitely common. I’ll tell you, we test. We test pretty much every client here we test for, you know, all the minerals. And some things I’ve been seeing recently, more than magnesium is molybdenum, I find way more people low and and that’s, that’s a very simple trace mineral, look at all foods. And there. Yeah, and it will find the foods you like, Yeah, and just even, you know, like what I would do like, so I would take like the rainbow, don’t we haven’t created rainbow diet chart. And if you want, I can email that to you. And you could post it yourself, that’d be great. So figured I’d get a column of red foods and orange foods whenever they would I would do is let’s say, a test myself. And I was little believed in them. I would look for you know, color foods that provide the molybdenum so when I plan out my strategy, like the food I’m going to eat that way a kernel by basis, I get all the micronutrients I need, like I need to believe them. Yeah, but I’m also getting the powerful antioxidant. So these other things that we know, we know they’re really good for us, but we don’t know exactly what they do. And, you know, you got a purple pavement, for example. Let’s get I’m getting a lot of attention, like purple horn, purple carrots, that kind of stuff. So purples and blues. There’s something about the structure and size of molecules, that they have really big impact on helping us in a lot of ways.

Neil Cannon  39:41
Amazing. So you get lemon, grapefruit and orange just like the purple pigment.

Tom Incledon  39:46
So what I’m aware of it right now is primarily purple carrots, purple potatoes, I’m sure purple corn I’m sure there’s like other fields out there. But em I don’t know, like the absolute values of the different compounds. And there’s different foods that would like so would be the best source. But it kind of gets back to you know, we kind of talked about earlier, just variety. Yeah, you never even if something, let’s say, let’s say purple corns, healthiest food you can never be, you still don’t want to just eat that, right? It’s the other foods. And one of the things that I see over and over again, when people come in and say have low testosterone segmen. There’s like this focus on to lose weight at all costs, right? But losing weight, per se doesn’t make you healthy. You know, you could be skinny and still have disease issues. Right? And yeah, you can also be fat and be healthy. We’re doing more and more. Yeah, there’s a there’s this other system called the Fit obese. So basically, they’re people who have higher than 30% body fat. But on paper, there’s nothing showing up.

40:59
Again, yeah. I know with a bit of energy. Well, that looks I would

Tom Incledon  41:04
still say that. Like even if let’s say your blood chemistry is normal, and your energy levels are good. You’re still carrying around excess weight and slowing down.

Neil Cannon  41:14
It also if you carried around excess fat, doesn’t that contain the enzyme aromatase which converts testosterone into two forms of estrogen

Tom Incledon  41:21
in general? Yes, it does. And then your estrogen rise. But these guys don’t have the federal risk guys to like, draw guys like they’re separate population. And so not everything that you need. Yeah. So then you can’t really extrapolate. But definitely as as it as individual male gets fatter. There’s an increase in overtakes activity. Yeah. You know, because the fat cells not can store more of the enzyme, which means that more of your testosterone can be converted into an estrogen. Yeah, which is not what you want. But where I was going with that is, we’re having people trying to use diet normally, to lower their fat, but their body fat, I mean, or body composition, change it, that the focus should be on moving. Yeah. Because what happens is some unique things like if you came in and said, Hey, eat all these, you know, healthy fruits and vegetables and other stuff, you might do it, you might not do it, you know, it takes effort for you to change
your behavior and lifestyle, right. But what I find is if I help people moving, as they move and exercise more, they naturally start craving fruits and vegetables, right? I don’t force anyone you know, literally, I watch guys on their own without any input from us. Once they start moving, they naturally stop eating as much junk food, stop eating sweets, and desserts and pastries, and start eating more fruits and vegetables. And then when you talk to me like yeah, I don’t I don’t even have to think about like, it just happened. Yes. Like it was a formal matter of fact that we do. And I think that in our one. One of the reasons where people maybe do stuff with junk food is it’s instant gratification. So essentially, the energy is mismanaged and going up and down. So that quick fix Yeah, and one thing I’ll say about fast food definitely is a quick fix.

Neil Cannon  43:15
It’s like a, like a drug from behind from the drugs.

Tom Incledon  43:19
Behind hungry, and it’s right, there is nothing like long term, there’s nothing of value in it. That’s going to help you. Yeah, it may actually it may satisfy your hunger, craving the sense needed, maybe get the

43:30
low off to the hilt or penalize

Tom Incledon  43:32
you long term. Yeah, utilize your long term. Yeah.

Neil Cannon  43:37
So yeah, coming back to this. Although the negative side effects the reason I’m going to quickly ask you about testosterone replacement therapy first. So that’s, as I understand it, it sends a message to your brain to stop producing it naturally. So if you take testosterone replacement therapy, like a synthetic injection of or however it is creamed injection, and that is a synthetic testosterone. So your brain gets the message to stop producing it naturally. So when people come off, because there might be suffering some some kind of side effects, their energy levels plummet, and they experience other problems with low testosterone shrunk. So there are side effects of TRT, are there any side effects with

Tom Incledon  44:17
not its own natural supplements. So keep in mind that this is not. This is not putting testosterone in you. What this does is it enhances cellular health at the level of the brain at the level of your testes. So basically, your sales are healthier. And when cells are healthier, they could do more work or it could produce more, so they can produce more testosterone. In this case, it’s giving

Neil Cannon  44:44
your body the fuel it needs to produce more testosterone, giving it to testosterone.

Tom Incledon  44:50
So you don’t have any negative feedback inhibition at the level you would have if you were to inject into testosterone. The other thing is that let’s say you’re on A year from a year, when you go off of it, you don’t crash. Yeah, you don’t have zero testosterone. What would happen is gradually over time, you would go right back to where your normal level was. Yeah. But the thing I would say for most people is one of the things this does really well is it reduces the effects of stress on ourselves amazing to a certain level, it actually enhances that cell activity or health, if you will, a lot. So this is the cocktail is basically it’s one of those things where the longer you take it, the healthier you become interested. So there’s a superior advantage in some ways, because some a testosterone injection per se, well, it’ll certainly improve the sastra levels, it definitely have libido improvement, you should increase muscle mass recover faster in a gym. That does not do a lot of things. This stunts. Yeah. So I actually have guys that they take both. They take this, even though it could increase testosterone, if you’re taking testosterone, it’s not going to increase it anymore. Yeah. But when they take this force, it keeps their cells healthier. Right? While they are taking testosterone in, there’s just really like the way they feel overall, like the fact that they don’t their joints don’t make as much they recover way faster. You know,

Neil Cannon  46:24
I’m going to try it. Yeah, well, good. Yeah. So should we close it down? I mean, let’s say to you with that, I’ll put a link underneath this video to purchase this. Thank you very much for your time, it’s been really interesting being here and walking around in playground, gym equipment, I’ve never seen so much cool stuff. Like heat pots and sauna pots and light and led pads and stuff. And most of the same gym. Anyway, thank you so much. It’s been really good talking to you, and real learning experience. And I hope it’s been useful for you this lasts 45 minutes or so.

Tom Incledon  47:12
One thing I see anyone that buys a product, we always we really want to hear feedback from people. Okay, you know, because it’s, you know, it’s different to studying people in a controlled environment where they have no free will, right? Yeah. Now, when people have free will, it’s not the same study anymore, right? It’s not the same thing. And most of the feedback we get from people is to love this stuff, because they couldn’t recover and train harder. The interesting thing on the libido side, basically, guys just keep buying it. But they don’t give us any data back, like, how do they know it’s working for them? So like a guy who was always working? And then I would say, well have you know, like, what are you seeing that tells you it’s working? And they don’t usually answer that stuff. And I’m not sure why like, so for some reason, guys will say, hey, it’s working, because it got stronger, right, right, or cover faster the gym. But when it gets to the libido aspect, and so we have to work in there, too. They don’t say, Well, I have, let’s say a longer lasting erection, or it’s a firmer erection or I think about a sex toy, they don’t answer that stuff. So it’s kind of like, you know, a kind of like, still like a big question work. So those are the kinds of things we want feedback on. Because, you know, what we ultimately want to do is want to create a product that people can feel, but not just mentally, like they can see results in the murder. Consider was growing in two weeks ago, when we had a doctor from another country that he ordered a year supply. And over the course of the year, he was a dead lifting 500 pounds any Ma was he was so impressed. Two years, I never imagined I’ll ever lift this kind of way. And I gotta tell you, it’s totally because of the product. Wow. So I’m

Neil Cannon  49:07
definitely gonna try it.

Tom Incledon  49:08
Would you say that? You still want to trade Samsung? Yeah, one of the mistakes I see guys make some times is something they feel really good. And they keep pushing harder and

49:19
harder and harder. they injure themselves at the

Tom Incledon  49:20
edge of the overtraining in order to tie that to the bed because they’re exhausted. So you want to you know, be set up sensible, you know, which is it’s hard to do when you feel great. Yeah, feel good. You want to push it? Yeah, hold back, you know.

Neil Cannon  49:35
Yeah. Amazing. I look forward to trying it out. I’ll report back my findings. Excellent. All the details. Yeah, thank you very much. My pleasure. Thank you. Check out the link underneath the video to purchase renew.